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    <title>Josh's Blog - Security</title>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:18:59 GMT</pubDate>

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    <title>Expanding Red Hat's Product Security Efforts</title>
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            <category>Linux</category>
            <category>Open Source</category>
            <category>Red Hat</category>
            <category>Security</category>
    
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    I&#039;m rather excited to announce an expansion of Red Hat&#039;s product security efforts. I&#039;ve been tasked with creating a team inside Red Hat to formalize our product security work. There is already a lot of really good work happening inside Red Hat in the security space. Technologies such as SELinux, ExecShield, secure development principals, and hardening in the toolchain have come a long way. However as happens with all decent sized companies, the left hand doesn&#039;t always know what the right hand is doing. Rather than letting good work go unnoticed, we&#039;re going to start formalizing some of these efforts to leverage what&#039;s being done, expand existing efforts into other product areas, and develop new programs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some additional efforts I would like to further are areas such as secure design principals, developer security training initiatives, secure coding practices, and security testing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you&#039;re interested in being a part of this effort, I have a number of open positions scattered around the world, feel free to apply directly or contact me if you have any questions. I&#039;m quite happy to discuss location, so don&#039;t let that scare you off.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://careers.redhat.com/ext/detail?redhat8554&quot;&gt;Software Engineer - Security Best Practices Development&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://careers.redhat.com/ext/detail?redhat8555&quot;&gt;Software Engineer - Tool Development&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://careers.redhat.com/ext/detail?redhat8556&quot;&gt;Software Engineer - New Security Technologies Development&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://careers.redhat.com/ext/detail?redhat8557&quot;&gt;Software Engineer - Code Audit Development&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://careers.redhat.com/ext/detail?redhat8558&quot;&gt;Developer Training&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t expect any of this to be easy, but nothing worth doing is ever easy. I expect many challenges and rewards to come from this. Red Hat is in a unique and great position to take on such a task. Stay tuned for more updates. 
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    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:17:00 -0500</pubDate>
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    <title>Firefox in a sandbox with Fedora</title>
    <link>http://www.bress.net/blog/archives/195-Firefox-in-a-sandbox-with-Fedora.html</link>
            <category>Security</category>
    
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    There is a really cool utility from the selinux &lt;a href=&quot;http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/31146.html?thread=213162&quot;&gt;folks&lt;/a&gt; called &lt;em&gt;sandbox&lt;/em&gt;. It&#039;s lets you run an application inside a sandbox which has limited permissions on the system. The idea being that you could run an untrusted process which shouldn&#039;t be able to cause any real damage. I dare say these days the most untrusted process is a web browser. I know Chrome uses a technology similar to this where each tab gets its own sandbox, but I don&#039;t run Chrome, so my goal is to make Firefox as safe as possible. Plus I&#039;m a paranoid nut, so this sort of thing I find really interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The sanbox program is part of the policycoreutils-python package in Fedora. It has the unique feature of being able to run an X application inside the sandbox. This is done by using a Xephyr X server. Getting this to run Firefox the way I wanted took a bit of work, but it&#039;s quite handy now that I have it working.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The biggest advantage I now have are multiple browsers running as my user. I have one browser for general browsing. This browser I never enter a password into, as I presume some of the sites I visit could be malicious in nature.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My other browser is for trusted sites, like webmail and my bank. I&#039;m able to run any number of browsers I wish, since each runs in its own sandbox, I don&#039;t have to worry about any resource collisions. If I have a questionable site to investigate (which happens in the security world fairly often), I just run another browser, check the site then close it. The sandbox cleans up any mess left behind when I&#039;m done.&lt;br /&gt;
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More after the fold.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:02:00 -0500</pubDate>
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    <title>Sony, PSN, and timing</title>
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            <category>Security</category>
    
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    News is starting to make the rounds that Sony&#039;s PSN users had their personal info stolen nine days ago.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/85812/sony-your-psn-personal-info-was-stolen-nine-days-ago/&quot;&gt;Sony: Your PSN Personal Info Was Stolen Nine Days Ago&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most people are now thinking NINE @#$%ING DAYS!!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The wording Sony is using is fairly vague, nothing sounds concrete. This is most likely because they don&#039;t know for sure. I suspect it took them nine days to release this news because they spent the first five days running around in an utter panic waiving their hands in the air.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not going to pick on Sony for being broken into, this happens. Even the best networks in the world have flaws. Nothing is perfect. Given how long it&#039;s taken them to respond, they probably didn&#039;t have a proper incident handling plan. It&#039;s easy to see security as a useless cost until you need it, then it looks pretty cheap.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Someday, you too will be compromised. What will you do when it happens? 
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    <pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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    <title>If a phone tracks you in the forest, does it makes a noise?</title>
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            <category>Security</category>
    
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    There has been a lot of noise lately about Apple and Google phones tracking people. This isn&#039;t very surprising honestly. Everything tracks what you do these days. Your web browser tracks the sites you visit. I would be amazed if more than half of your travel time isn&#039;t recorded on some sort of video security system (think about how many public and private video cameras you see, if you can see it, it can see you). Even when you spend money, it&#039;s being tracked. There are debates as to how anonymous cash is, for now, let&#039;s just presume it&#039;s not anonymous. Even the books you read are easier than ever to track thanks to ereaders (sure they know you bought &lt;em&gt;The Catcher in the Rye&lt;/em&gt;, but now they know you read it once a month).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We live in a world where we have no privacy. This probably won&#039;t ever change since companies want to know this information. I&#039;d be surprised if any single group has managed to put it all together yet, but there is a giant pile of gold waiting for whoever does (my current money is on Facebook, as long as someone doesn&#039;t swoop in and get it right before they&#039;re done floundering).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The real question is what can we do about it? There are really only three options. Go live in a shack in the woods and never ever spend money or use technology. Stop caring. Don&#039;t do silly things.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The vast majority of people live in the &quot;Stop caring&quot; option since they don&#039;t know any better. Living in the woods is probably out of the question fo most of us as something will eat us on day 3 if we haven&#039;t starved to death. The right answer is to not be silly.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bress.net/blog/archives/197-If-a-phone-tracks-you-in-the-forest,-does-it-makes-a-noise.html#extended&quot;&gt;Continue reading &quot;If a phone tracks you in the forest, does it makes a noise?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;
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    <pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:40:00 -0400</pubDate>
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    <title>New GPG key</title>
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            <category>Security</category>
    
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    I&#039;ve finally gotten around to setting up a new GPG key for myself. It can be found on the keyservers, signed with my old key for those of you interested. The fingerprint is &lt;blockquote&gt;CFB1 136C 6DD0 5BB9 D798  A78E 1CD8 ACDD BBE0 9A0F&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The really cool thing about this key is I have it living on an OpenPGP smartcard. Such a card can be found from &lt;a href=&quot;http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/index.php?language=en&quot;&gt;kernel concepts&lt;/a&gt;. This means that it&#039;s quite difficult for someone to steal this key from me. It will take a physical theft for someone to gain the key. The best a remote attacker can do is decrypt or sign a things as me while I have the card plugged into my computer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As a warning, I wasn&#039;t able to generate my keys using the Omnikey or Gemalto USB keyreaders I have. I bought SIM sized smart cards so I can easily carry both the card and reader with me at all times. It turned out that GPG could generate the keys on Windows, so I ended up having to to do a clean windows install to generate the keys (which was promptly destroyed afterwards), it was a rather silly waste of time, but it did work. 
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    <pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 15:03:00 -0400</pubDate>
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    <title>Critical security handled critically</title>
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            <category>Security</category>
    
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    Last week there was an Exim 0day flaw found in the wild. This hasn&#039;t happened to something this widely used in quite a long time. It&#039;s worth pointing out that all the right folks came together to get this fixed in an amazing amount of time. They did a great job and deserve a lot of credit. This could have been a lot worse than it was.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Upstream sent this message giving a pretty good run down of &lt;a href=&quot;http://marc.info/?l=oss-security&amp;m=129224961001508&amp;w=2&quot;&gt;events.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Their openness is certainly the best way to have handled this. If you treat security like a PR problem, it becomes a PR problem.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The short story is that on December 7, a vigilant sysadmin (Sergey Kononenko) noticed a compromised server, and luckily grabbed a dump of the data. It wasn&#039;t widely noticed for about two days. During this time investigation began. Here is where open source showed its real power. When the folks investigating were having issues, they started asking other community folks to help, this eventually made its way to various vendors. Everyone brought a different piece to the puzzle, and the next day the problem was understood, and vendors started to patch their copies of Exim. It turned out upstream had fixed the issue quite some time ago.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s not uncommon for emergencies to go horribly wrong, but when the right people do the right things, things can work nicely. 
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    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:07:00 -0500</pubDate>
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    <title>Automatic Firefox updates?</title>
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            <category>Security</category>
    
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    Mozilla plans to automatically update Firefox 4, without asking the user anything:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9180272/Mozilla_plans_to_silently_update_Firefox&quot;&gt;Mozilla plans to silently update Firefox&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There was once a time I would have thought this is bad. Not telling a user what&#039;s going on can&#039;t be good, right?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think this is true for some users, but it&#039;s a minority of them. Most people don&#039;t understand what the update is for, or why they should get it. That means that some of them will click &quot;no&quot; when asked if they should update. In the rare event someone has a need to not take an update, they can choose to go down this dangerous path.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The obvious counter argument is &quot;what if my vendor does something evil with their update!&quot; If this is something you&#039;re worried about, you need a new vendor. If you can&#039;t trust your vendor, what&#039;s worse, a system that can be infected by an evildoer, or a system that &lt;strong&gt;IS&lt;/strong&gt; infected by a dishonest vendor?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Automatic updates for security flaws are good, automatic updates for random vendor whims are not. I suspect that much of the fear of automatic updates comes from vendors trying to sneak in other changes. I would say if you don&#039;t trust your vendor, and they don&#039;t trust you, what&#039;s even the point? 
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    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:37:00 -0400</pubDate>
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    <title>Private browsing is hard</title>
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.out-law.com/page-11293&quot;&gt;Private browsing is not as secure as users think, says study&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This shouldn&#039;t come as a surprise to anyone. Anytime you try to retrofit a new security model into an old one, you will break things, and sometimes it&#039;s just impossible to do it right. I suspect that most modern browsers will never be able to remove all possible traces of what you&#039;ve been up to. There is a clever solution in Fedora 13 though. There is a tool called &lt;a href=&quot;http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/33090.html&quot;&gt;sandbox&lt;/a&gt; that Dan Walsh cooked up. I&#039;ll save the scary details, you can read Dan&#039;s blog for that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The basic idea is that you can run a web browser inside of a sandbox, once you exit the sandbox, your files are all deleted. By using SELinux to confine the browser, you don&#039;t have to worry about an exploit breaking out of the sandbox. Since all the files are removed once you exit, there is no history left on the disk. Currently the sandbox only deletes the files written to disk, I filed a bug to shred them instead, which would prevent someone from inspecting the leftover bits on the disk.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The only trick that&#039;s no obvious, is you probably want to carry along your .mozilla directory for things like bookmarks and plugins. My sanbox browser command is&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;sandbox -t sandbox_web_t -i /home/bress/.mozilla -X firefox&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s not perfect and I don&#039;t use it for everything (yet), but I hope in the near future, all my browsing will happen this way. 
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    <title>Security vs hype vs reality</title>
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    Does hype hurt the world of security? Maybe, but probably not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/column/0,294698,sid14_gci1518017,00.html?track=sy160&quot;&gt;Black Hat convention hype hurts the enterprise risk management process&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The author has one good point about security. Don&#039;t fall into the hype. It also has a number of silly points, my favorite being:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The security community must stop this hysterical response to vulnerability research. Security professionals must embrace more measured, logical and reasoned responses to new threats.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This isn&#039;t really true. The press needs to stop the hysterical response, vendors should fix their problems and have a reasonable story to tell their customers.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most of these people are looking to make a name for themselves. The difference is that when these people cause a stir, it sounds scary.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It gets even more scary when you have an unresponsive or silly vendor who just stirs the pot. There are still a lot of vendors who treat security like a PR problem rather than a technical issue. Security flaws are bugs caused by programming mistakes. They need to be fixed, not approached as if they are a news story. If you fix the problem without much fanfare, there isn&#039;t much of a story. How many headlines have you read that are &quot;Vendor fixes flaw in timely and reasonable manner!&quot; Not many, it&#039;s way more fun to write about the vendor who refuse to fix a security flaw and insists the researcher is a bad bad person who lies and is bad.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Security flaws can be embarrassing for the affected party. Public disclosure, even sensational public disclosure is sometimes needed. These people often don&#039;t get paid directly for their work. Their pay is in reputation; they aren&#039;t going to complain if their flaw gets lots of hype. 
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    <pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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    <title>Storing body scan images</title>
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    It seems some folks are indeed storing the body scan images everyone said would never be stored:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html&quot;&gt;Feds admit storing checkpoint body scan images&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This probably shouldn&#039;t surprise many people. The issue isn&#039;t so much that these guys are trying to be evil, but are protecting themselves. Let&#039;s say a bad guy gets through the machine. If there is no record of the scan, you have an instant scapegoat; the security screener clearly didn&#039;t do their job! If you&#039;ve saved it though, you can point at it and say &quot;Look, the scan was fine, not my fault!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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People generally don&#039;t like to be blamed for anything. When given the choice between what is right, and what could keep them of trouble, most people will opt to stay out of trouble. It&#039;s part of our monkey brains at work, we don&#039;t like to be in trouble.&lt;br /&gt;
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Storing these images will probably never change, as it&#039;s really easy to convince most people we need these. When someone says &quot;it makes us safer&quot;, it&#039;s hard to create an argument a normal person will understand. Normal people can relate to wanting to stop bad people from doing bad things (especially to themselves). What they can&#039;t relate to is how the people in charge can systematically remove freedoms over a very long period of time, slowly, so most don&#039;t notice. Sadly the closest thing to an argument most people grasp about these machines is that they don&#039;t want pictures of their naked bodies stored. 
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    <title>Encrypting phone calls</title>
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    <author>nospam@example.com (Josh Bressers)</author>
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    Wow, it&#039;s been a long time since I&#039;ve updated this thing. Hopefully I&#039;ll be less busy in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bruce Schneier had a really interesting story:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/05/nobody_encrypts.html&quot;&gt;Nobody Encrypts their Phone Calls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not very surprised by this. Encrypting phone calls is hard (even if you know what you&#039;re doing), which I suspect puts folks into two buckets&lt;br /&gt;
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1) People who don&#039;t understand their phone calls can and probably are being recorded&lt;br /&gt;
2) People smart enough to not use the phone&lt;br /&gt;
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The really scary thing though is this quote:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2009, encryption was encountered during one state wiretap, but did not prevent officials from obtaining the plain text of the communications,&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The question to think about now, is how did they get a transcript? (I suspect it was from a different remote listening device that wasn&#039;t a telephone) 
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